{"id":246,"date":"2016-02-14T06:57:14","date_gmt":"2016-02-14T06:57:14","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/jaisor.net\/?p=246"},"modified":"2016-02-14T06:57:14","modified_gmt":"2016-02-14T06:57:14","slug":"tiger-motor-1806-13-kv2500-review","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/jaisor.net\/index.php\/2016\/02\/14\/tiger-motor-1806-13-kv2500-review\/","title":{"rendered":"Tiger Motor 1806-13 KV:2500 review"},"content":{"rendered":"<h2>Intro<\/h2>\n<p>I was fortunate to acquire\u00a0a set of 1806-13 KV:2500 test samples from Tiger Motor. I usually try to get 5 motors (and ESCs) and keep one spare. Good thing that is what I did, as one motor was catching slightly. I think there is a small friction point between one of the coil housing and the magnet. The other 4 were good and smooth. For the record, I have not contacted anybody for exchange, but tagged it as normal pre-production issues and kept on building with the 4 good ones.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/jaisor.net\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/02\/TMotor1806-13KV2500.jpg\" rel=\"attachment wp-att-250\"><img decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" class=\"aligncenter wp-image-250 size-large\" src=\"http:\/\/jaisor.net\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/02\/TMotor1806-13KV2500-1024x682.jpg\" alt=\"TMotor1806-13KV2500\" width=\"800\" height=\"533\" srcset=\"https:\/\/jaisor.net\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/02\/TMotor1806-13KV2500-1024x682.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/jaisor.net\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/02\/TMotor1806-13KV2500-300x200.jpg 300w, https:\/\/jaisor.net\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/02\/TMotor1806-13KV2500-768x512.jpg 768w, https:\/\/jaisor.net\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/02\/TMotor1806-13KV2500-1536x1023.jpg 1536w, https:\/\/jaisor.net\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/02\/TMotor1806-13KV2500-2048x1365.jpg 2048w, https:\/\/jaisor.net\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/02\/TMotor1806-13KV2500-1200x800.jpg 1200w, https:\/\/jaisor.net\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/02\/TMotor1806-13KV2500-1980x1319.jpg 1980w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 800px) 100vw, 800px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>Each motor weighs 26g which is on the heavy side (for reference Cobra 2204 2300kv weighs 24.6g). The wires are long and should fit most mini-quad\u00a0builds. The prop shaft is\u00a04mm\u00a0which is thinner than the\u00a05mm popular the 18xx and 22xx class. This is a bit annoying as it requires prop adapters and carrying a different\u00a0prop wrench. Overall the motor has a solid feel to it,\u00a0with smooth rotation of the bell,\u00a0strong and well-protected base. The winding wire appears a bit thin compared to the DYS 1806, but the coils look tidy.<\/p>\n<h2>The build<\/h2>\n<p>I wanted to go light to preserve power. The no-battery, no HD cam weight came to about 316g, which is not as light as I was hoping, but close enough. I opted for a QAV180 frame, not the lightest 180 but is very strong and versatile.<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>SPRF3 Flight Controller (Started with a Naze32 Rev6 but ran into bad gyro noise issues)<\/li>\n<li>T-Motor 1806-13 KV:2500<\/li>\n<li>LittleBee 20A ESC with BLHeli 14.4<\/li>\n<li>DAL 4045BN, HQ 4045BN<\/li>\n<li>FrSky D4R-II\u00a0with telemetry<\/li>\n<li>Eachine ET600R 600mW VTX<\/li>\n<li>Pyro Drone 1\/3 Sony Super HAD II CCD 650<\/li>\n<li>Birdseye Mini 36mm V1.2 PDB<\/li>\n<li>Micro MinimOSD<\/li>\n<li>Lumenier GoPro QAV mount + GoPro Hero4 (took it down for some of the flights to reduce weight)<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/jaisor.net\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/02\/TheaBuild3.jpg\" rel=\"attachment wp-att-255\"><img decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" class=\"size-thumbnail wp-image-255 alignnone\" src=\"http:\/\/jaisor.net\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/02\/TheaBuild3-150x150.jpg\" alt=\"TheaBuild3\" width=\"150\" height=\"150\" \/><\/a> <a href=\"http:\/\/jaisor.net\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/02\/TheaBuild2.jpg\" rel=\"attachment wp-att-256\"><img decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" class=\"size-thumbnail wp-image-256 alignnone\" src=\"http:\/\/jaisor.net\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/02\/TheaBuild2-150x150.jpg\" alt=\"TheaBuild2\" width=\"150\" height=\"150\" \/><\/a> <a href=\"http:\/\/jaisor.net\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/02\/TheaBuild1.jpg\" rel=\"attachment wp-att-257\"><img decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" class=\"size-thumbnail wp-image-257 alignnone\" src=\"http:\/\/jaisor.net\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/02\/TheaBuild1-150x150.jpg\" alt=\"TheaBuild1\" width=\"150\" height=\"150\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/jaisor.net\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/02\/TheaBuild5.jpg\" rel=\"attachment wp-att-253\"><img decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" class=\"size-thumbnail wp-image-253 alignnone\" src=\"http:\/\/jaisor.net\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/02\/TheaBuild5-150x150.jpg\" alt=\"TheaBuild5\" width=\"150\" height=\"150\" \/><\/a> <a href=\"http:\/\/jaisor.net\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/02\/TheaBuild4.jpg\" rel=\"attachment wp-att-254\"><img decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" class=\"size-medium wp-image-254 alignnone\" src=\"http:\/\/jaisor.net\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/02\/TheaBuild4-300x199.jpg\" alt=\"TheaBuild4\" width=\"300\" height=\"199\" srcset=\"https:\/\/jaisor.net\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/02\/TheaBuild4-300x199.jpg 300w, https:\/\/jaisor.net\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/02\/TheaBuild4-1024x678.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/jaisor.net\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/02\/TheaBuild4-768x509.jpg 768w, https:\/\/jaisor.net\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/02\/TheaBuild4-1536x1017.jpg 1536w, https:\/\/jaisor.net\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/02\/TheaBuild4-2048x1356.jpg 2048w, https:\/\/jaisor.net\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/02\/TheaBuild4-1200x795.jpg 1200w, https:\/\/jaisor.net\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/02\/TheaBuild4-1980x1311.jpg 1980w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 300px) 100vw, 300px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<h2>The Software, Tuning and Flight<\/h2>\n<h3>BetaFlight 2.3.5<\/h3>\n<p>For a while I&#8217;ve been flashing\u00a0BetaFlight on my quads. On this one, I decided to use the latest 2.3.5. A quick\u00a0maiden flight showed the basics were ok, so I jumped into tuning. I mentioned above, my first flight controller choice was a Naze32 Rev6. I had no idea\u00a0about\u00a0the gyro noise issues at low looptime (Standard Betaflight has looptime of 1000). I noticed and heard oscillations right away. I spent\u00a0several hours trying to tune them out. In the end I had to re-enable and jack up all the filters and\u00a0reduce P and D to values that made the quad barely stable in flight. That is when I decided to\u00a0swap the Naze32 for an SPRF3 board, which solved the gyro issues right away.<\/p>\n<h3>2Khz mode!<\/h3>\n<p>A wise man said &#8220;Anything worth doing is worth overdoing&#8221; so I decided\u00a0to push it a further enabling\u00a02KHz mode (500 looptime). There we no noticeable oscillations and the\u00a0quad flew great, but looking at the blackbox log, the gyro is definitely noisier. For curiosity, the 2Khz is turned on by disabling the gyroscope\u00a0low pass filter and with the D term filter already disabled as of 2.3.3, there really isn&#8217;t much filtering going on.<\/p>\n<p>I tried both 3S and 4S with 4045BN props (DAL and HQ). The quad flew tight and fast, but\u00a0after each 2-3 min flight sessions the motors felt quite warm. Not really hot, but definitely not comfortable, even on 3S with a more casual flight.<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li><a href=\"http:\/\/jaisor.net\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/02\/Thea-BF235-2KHZ-LUX-Park-blackbox_log_2016-02-06_181350.txt\" rel=\"\">Blackbox log of BF 2.3.5 with 2kHz mode enabled<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"http:\/\/jaisor.net\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/02\/Thea-BF235-2KHZ-dump-2016-02-09.txt\" rel=\"\">BetaFlight 2.3.5 with 2kHz mode dump<\/a><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p><iframe loading=\"lazy\" width=\"640\" height=\"360\" src=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/embed\/OMLaicAKdRQ?feature=oembed\" frameborder=\"0\" allowfullscreen><\/iframe><\/p>\n<h3>BetaFlight 2.1.6<\/h3>\n<p>With the\u00a0motors running\u00a0too warm for comfort under BF 2.3.5, I decided to go back to the proven 2.1.6. Tuning was quick and easy, no gyro issues, slightly\u00a0bumping the default LuxFloat P and I and reducing D until it felt &#8220;right&#8221;. However\u00a0the motors were still coming down warm, better than 2.3.5 but definitely not cool, especially on\u00a04S. The following flight was with tri-blade props DAL T4045BN, first 3S then 4S. On 4S these props made it feel close to a race build, again keeping the GoPro off and using a light battery. The 4S flight was cut short due to me getting stuck in a tree. The video lines started appearing after a recent crash, perhaps a ground got loose or something.<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li><a href=\"http:\/\/jaisor.net\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/02\/Thea-BF216-LUX-Tuned-blackbox_log_2016-02-13_220804.txt\" rel=\"\">Blackbox log of BF 2.1.6 PIDs tuned on LuxFloat<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"http:\/\/jaisor.net\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/02\/ToldyBF216-Tuned-2016-02-13.dump_.txt\" rel=\"\">BetaFlight 2.1.6 PIDs tuned on LuxFloat dump<\/a><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p><iframe loading=\"lazy\" width=\"640\" height=\"360\" src=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/embed\/hhw8ZWzYKOY?feature=oembed\" frameborder=\"0\" allowfullscreen><\/iframe><\/p>\n<h2>Recommendations and conclusion<\/h2>\n<ul>\n<li>Increase the shaft size to 5mm<\/li>\n<li>Resolve the heat issues (the bigger shaft and perhaps thicker winding wire might do it)<\/li>\n<li>Keep the weight in check. The thicker and more protected base would justify around 26g but not much more.<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>The T-Motor 1806-13 KV2500 is smooth and fast, especially when used on a light build. Fully loaded it will struggle to compete with the average race builds,\u00a0tho slimmed down it is not too far off. This seems like a versatile motor for sub-250 beginner to well-into intermediate build.<\/p>\n<h2><span style=\"color: #ff0000;\">Update (Feb 15th, 2016)<\/span><\/h2>\n<p>I\u00a0did another test session with DAL T4045BN tri-blade at an RC field near by. Surprisingly the motors we coming down cooler than before, even on 4S. This was one of the more enjoyable flights I had recently with a frame that size. I think this motor has a lot of potential and will make many of the more casual, efficiency-minded hobbyists happy while still letting them rip from time to time \ud83d\ude42<\/p>\n<p><iframe loading=\"lazy\" width=\"640\" height=\"360\" src=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/embed\/siY1AA1RIFg?feature=oembed\" frameborder=\"0\" allowfullscreen><\/iframe><\/p>\n<h2>Update (Mar 13th, 2016)<\/h2>\n<p>I took this build to the RCX race in OC fair grounds. She flew great. The tune, size and props were just right\u00a0for the small track. Again only DVR footage.<\/p>\n<p><iframe loading=\"lazy\" width=\"640\" height=\"360\" src=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/embed\/qM122ajBuSY?feature=oembed\" frameborder=\"0\" allowfullscreen><\/iframe><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Intro I was fortunate to acquire\u00a0a set of 1806-13 KV:2500 test samples from Tiger Motor. I usually try to get 5 motors (and ESCs) and keep one spare. 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